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How can I contact the USDA Correspondence Course Administrators? |
Correspondence Programs, Ag Box
9911 Room 1112, South Agriculture Building 14th St. and Independence Ave. SW Washington, DC 20250-9911 (202) 720-7123 TDD: (202) 690-1516 Email: Correspond@grad.usda.gov Web: http://216.1.143.50/programs_services/corres/cop.cfm |
Who are the instructors for the USDA Basic Indexing Course? |
As of March 2000, Victoria Agee , Victoria Baker, Jean Mann, Nancy Mulvany , Jan Wright, Pilar Wyman, Sylvia Coates, and Kari Kells. You can learn about them at the USDA web site. |
How long until the course material arrives? |
This can vary from a week to three weeks. Some say that calling in and ordering by phone is the quickest way (rather than by mail). See contact info above. |
How long does it take to complete the USDA Basic Indexing Course? |
This depends on you. The course was designed
to take one year. If you don't aggressively push to complete the course, then a safe bet is 9 months to 1 year. It can be done in 6 months to 9 months with some planning on your part, cooperation from your instructor and There is a value in the interim period while waiting for feedback [see What can I do in-between lessons to maintain my interest (and learn more)?] Here's one strategy: You should wait until you receive your "index" lessons back (3, 5, and 7) before submitting your next "index" lessons. This doesn't mean you can't have them done and waiting to go, though. You should look carefully at the feedback you receive to avoid making the same mistakes twice. Sometimes, it will depend on your instructor's work load and other factors, out of your control. |
Is the USDA course worth it? |
I consider the USDA
course essentially a self-study experience (expensive
self-study). The feedback you get on your indexes is
necessarily so minimal (because of the distance-learning
environment) that you are really just teaching yourself
indexing while adhering to the course's rules and
directions. So many of the lessons are essentially
fill-in-the-blank worksheets requiring common sense
("arrange the following from smaller to larger
units: 10 feet, 1 mile, 5 inches.." ARE THEY
KIDDING???) or the basic ability to find a sentence in
Mulvany/Chicago and copy it onto the worksheet. One
lesson asks you to alphabetize foreign names-yet every
single name is found verbatim in the Chicago indexing
chapter! Regarding the recognition of the USDA course by editors, I've actually read on this list that publishers don't necessarily care where you got your experience. I started the USDA course in early 1998, thrilled that there was such a course and that I could do it at my own pace. Hah! The instructor's life was just about to become very complicated, and the lesson turn-around was so slow that it finally took me 2 years to complete the course, and then it was without much satisfaction. I have a Ph.D. in Comparative Literature and have taught a fair amount myself, and I had questions to ask here and there. The reply was that I was obviously looking for a mentor, not a teacher (?!). The fill-in-the-blank parts of the lessons seemed a bit silly, and I never did get much in the way of useful feedback on any of my indexes. I finished the course just to have done it, but I don't think the grade I received is at all representative of my ability. In sum, what I gained from the course was little more than a basic knowledge of where to look for information on indexing, and that I could have found in much less time and for much less money. So perhaps I was just unlucky, perhaps I have an inflated sense of my abilities, perhaps I'd forgotten how to take a course, whatever. In any event, I cannot recommend the USDA course to anyone, and it sounds as if most people interested in becoming indexers have the motivation and ability to learn the art by themselves with the help of such lists as this and the local library. I'm mostly finished with Lesson 5 and think the course has been worth my money. Yes, I could havelearned it all on my own, but I'm not a good researcher and I don't work well without time limits. Having the course information collected and presented to me in manageable lumps is a good thing. Getting a lesson back and knowing I'm expected to deliver another one are also good things. Any time I've questioned the instructor I've gotten a polite and useful answer within 24 hours. My only complaint is the turnaround time for lessons - my longest wait has been just over five weeks, and the average wait is about three weeks. When I finish the course I'll have a lot of confidence to start marketing with - confidence I know I would not have had without the course. Some people are just happier with formal instruction, I guess, and I'm one of them. |
| What about the grades in the USDA course? Mine are lower than I'm used to. | Melinda Davis offers this opinion: I suspect most of us who are drawn to indexing have been used to doing well (i.e., making good grades) at intellectual things and that we have the expectation of doing well at indexing. I further suspect that our desire to do well is intensified in the distant education setting (where we consciously or unconsciously realize that our instructor doesn't know about any of our other talents: we make the best pie crust in town or our roses don't have the first blemish on them or we're funnier than Dave Barry and so we feel that much more pressure to prove that we've got what it takes to be an indexer). I think it's especially hard for us to get lower marks than we're used to and hard to give up trying to get it absolutely perfect before we send it in. BUT you learn more from your mistakes than from the things that you got "right" (especially if it was just a lucky guess or an accidental fluke that you did it the way you did)---plus "right" is so relative in indexing. Granted a few things are just plain wrong in indexing, but the "right" things are on a continuum from "good" to "better" and on to "best"--and there's always CONTEXT to factor in! Try to limit the time you spend obsessing over an assignment--do it as well as you can but don't forget you WANT feedback (that's what you're paying for!). And in the real indexing world, the time you'll have for obsessing and absolute perfection is going to be limited. It's a great feeling to look back over your work and see improvement. I would hate to think that I'm as good as I'm going to get right now. The only way to get better is to let your instructor show you what you have done well and where you could do better. |
Why don't they offer the course online? |
They claim that they are not in the business of teaching e-mailing and software compatibility. I put this question in because it's a pet peeve of mine and I would like to see them develop some way of submitting the majority of work through e-mail. There was a rumor this past summer that they were going to try this out with one instructor. Haven't heard anything new on this. |
What can I do in-between lessons to maintain my interest (and learn more)? |
Here's a pointer to an article by Dawn Spencer that gives eighty things to do. There are
lots of things you can do while you're waiting for
lessons to be returned. Here's a list put together by
several experienced indexers that might help:
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Should I use indexing software while completing the course? |
This is certainly an individual decision.
Some people advocate learning indexing the
"old-fashioned" way (you know, index cards).
They believe that this will help you to conceptualize the
process of putting an index together, teaching you
organizational skills, as well as alphabetizing systems.
Others say that you will need to be using a dedicated
indexing program as soon as you hang out your shingle, so
get the practice now. There is no right answer here. I
advocate a position in the middle. Do your first 6
lessons without the software, then use the software to
complete 7-10. Indexing software is made by several different companies, with different interfaces. You would do well to start the process of selecting one as soon as you are certain you will continue the pursuit of an indexing career. Costs vary from one to another, and can go as high as $500+. Check here to see what's available. For those of you looking for info on which software to get, check out this comparison of Sky Index Professional 5.1 and Cindex for Windows 1.0 on the Australian Society of Indexers' web site: http://www.zeta.org.au/~aussi/software/review.htm. Here's someone's experience from the list: "Here's what I did....... When I decided to open my business, the first purchases I made were the demo versions of the software that was available at that time: Macrex & Cindex. I played with both & made my decision based on which one felt most natural (well, least awkward) to me. I then used the demo version to do practice indexes between the time I sent out cold query letters & the time I landed my first client. As soon as I got off the phone with my first client and sent off my first contract, I placed a phone order for the full version of software I wanted & had it sent overnight. That way, I was able to get used to the software before I started my first project, but I didn't spend the money on the full version until I _knew_ I had income to cover it. Since it was tax deductible, I wanted to have income from which it was deductible. '-) My $.02. -Kari" If you're using software, don't expect your USDA instructor to instruct you in using the software. That's what software tech support is for. Besides, your instructor may not use the software you select. And don't expect the instructor to be lenient in grading certain aspects of your index, just because you haven't figured out various features of your software. |
What other courses are there where I can learn indexing? |
Again, I won't reinvent the wheel here. ASI has listed practically everything available. Check here. |
Should I take the second course? Applied Indexing? |
Here's the course description: In Applied Indexing you'll discover how to analyze a book index, edit a first-draft index and apply indexing and business principles to project-related situations that working indexers encounter: proposing and justifying bids, submitting invoices, estimating length of time for specific projects, producing indexes to size requirements, handling misrepresented projects, treating special problems in indexes, and designing indexes that satisfy readers and publishers. The subjects represented in the excerpts include ecology, history, health and well-being, educational research and psychology. Here's a comment from L. Pilar Wyman: "Five of the eight lessons are pure "index" work. The Applied Indexing course gives students more practice at indexing and includes feedback and critique." Here are Nancy Mulvany's thoughts: "The prequisite for Applied Indexing is Basic Indexing (CEDIT 360) or its equivalent (only three other comparable courses exist in the US). Additionally, students should not consider Applied Indexing unless they received a grade of 86/B+ or higher in Basic Indexing." |
Tell me about mentoring? How do you get involved with an experienced indexer? |
Here's an exchange that occurred on the
list between a novice indexer(NI) and Dick Evans, President of ASI. NI: Are there a lot of indexers who do this? DE: I suspect a fair number do. NI: I'd have to assume that this would be most feasible if you are in close proximity. DE: It depends on the arrangement. If the apprentice is expected to work on production projects, proximity is pretty much a necessity. If the apprenticeship is for tutorial purposes and not tied to production schedules, then something could be done remotely. NI: What types of things does your apprentice do? DE: He started by proofing my indexes. I gave him a page-order sort of the index and he checked the page numbers against the proofs. I got him started using Cindex and then had him check the proofs against the Cindex file, which is a bit easier than checking paper against paper. I also had him do a complete index on a book that I had done several years ago. We are currently comparing his index to mine, but overall he has done very well. NI: I've heard quite a bit of discussion on mentoring and it sounds like an interesting option if you can get it. DE: There's a difference between mentoring and apprenticeship. Mentoring is what's going on right on this list. Mentoring is simply giving advice and can be done without regard to proximity. Apprenticeship implies an actual working relationship between the indexer and the apprentice. That's where the physical proximity comes in. NI: Do you have any general thoughts on how a new indexer would go about approaching an experienced indexer for a relationship such as this? What can a new indexer offer an experienced indexer in a deal like this? DE: Network. Join ASI, attend the annual conference. If you are into indexing technical stuff, join Society for Technical Communication (STC). If you are into medical indexing, join American Medical Writers, etc. Join the INDEX-L listserv, hang out there and ask questions. Don't just lurk, engage in the conversation. Find any indexers close to you. Talk to them about their business. (Don't pry about money or client lists.) Don't approach them as if you are asking *them* to do something for *you*. Instead, offer to do something for them, like proofreading, for instance. Then be available. I had one person who wanted to work for me but refused to work evenings or weekends. Most of this job is done evenings and weekends. And on short notice. Under tight deadlines. Do you have any skills with PageMaker, FrameMaker, or MS-Word? Some clients want their indexes embedded in one of these products. Because the indexing features are so cumbersome, virtually no professional indexers work directly in those products. Rather we create the index in one of the dedicated software packages (Cindex, Macrex, or SkyIndex) then embed the tags into the document itself. I would dearly love to have someone do that tagging for me. I have a list of ten things that I look for in an apprentice. Apprentice Qualities
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I've just finished the Final Exam of the course. Am I ready to hang out my shingle? |
Only you can tell if you are ready to
professionally market your services to publishers and
other paying clients. How did you do in the course? How
confident are you in your indexing skills? How good are
your marketing and business skills? The answers to these
questions will reveal a lot about your readiness to move
forward in business. Are you an indexer? Read paragraphs 3 and 4 of the Preface to Indexing Books. Some experienced indexers recommend that beginners practice indexing several full-length books against a self-imposed deadline, just to get more of a feel for "real" work. They also suggest getting someone to critique the practice indexes, perhaps for a fee. Many indexers offer this service for varying rates (something comparable to their indexing rates, perhaps $25/hr. or more). Maybe someone in your local ASI chapter would be willing to do so. Do you have marketing materials and a marketing plan? Are you able to present yourself in a competent and professional manner to prospective clients? Do you know the process involved and will you be able to provide appropriate services to a professional publisher? |
How do editors view the indexing course and my having completed it? |
From Nancy Mulvany: During the past two years I have heard
quasi-complaints from editors about receiving scores of
work inquiries from people who have just completed Basic
Indexing. They are overwhelmed and not certain about how
to evaluate these inquiries. Here is what I tell the
editors: |
What are the "must have" books for a beginning indexer's library? |
Here's a response from Dawn Spencer: For freelance, this is my list for a beginner. I don't view it as just indexing--I look at it as an entire business.
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Can anyone tell me exactly what web indexing entails?Where is a good site to get more information on web indexing? |
Here's my take: Web indexing is just the
same as book indexing, only completely different. Just as
a back-of-the-book index "points" the user to
the information they are seeking, a web index
"points" the user as well. However there are several potential levels in web indexing. You can index a web page, a web site or many web sites. Web page: Your pointers would jump to location on the page where info is found. Web site: Your pointers would jump to the page, or to the page and the location where info is found. Many web sites: You would gather pointers to info located on many different web sites, such as Irish Folk Music. There are many issues around the formatting and coding of entries and room for lots of "helper" software development. There are several sites with good information on web indexing: The Web Indexing Special Interest Group of the American Society of Indexers. The page Indexing the Web on the site of the American Society of Indexers. The page Web Indexing on the site of the Australian and New Zealand Society of Indexers. The page Indexing the WWW on the site of the University of British Columbia School of Library, Archival and Information Studies. There is also the Web Indexing online discussion list. It is affiliated with the Web Indexing SIG, but subscribers do not have to be members of the SIG. |
What is database indexing? |
Here's a response from an experienced
database indexer: I index periodical/journal/newspaper articles, and my indexing appears in print journals or databases much like what Anne Day describes. I use a controlled vocabulary (a thesaurus) provided by the database producer, and create a list of descriptors (index entries) for an article. I could call myself either a periodical indexer or a database indexer. In BOB (my acronym for back-of-the-book) indexing, you have entries followed by locators (page numbers). In database indexing, the entries call up articles linked to a descriptor, and I think of the descriptors as locators as well. The bibliographic information (author, journal title, page numbers) is more information about the article either as a second level of locator or as index entry points for the article. {The article that ASI links you to from its database indexing page is really more about how database software has an "index" function, and how to utilize it, but you still have to provide the locator (the index term or keyword or whatever) that points to the information in the database.} I also do some Web indexing. I cruise the Web at low speed, looking for sites that contain scientific or medical content, capture the URL (and some other information) and then apply my controlled vocabulary terms to the site content, All of this information goes into a searchable database. So, I'm still a database indexer at heart, but my indexable material is contained on the Web. |
What basic equipment and software should I have to get started? |
How about this:
The items above are basic and necessary. The items below are not necessary, but may prove useful.
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How important is having a web site when starting out? |
I think there's a purpose to having a web
site. It may not be for what you think it's for though. I
use mine more like a brochure and resume than anything
else. I like to point people to it when they want quick
access to information about my services or a look at my
work. I keep a list of recent books indexed, a
description of what I can do for them (my indexing
techniques and so on), and a sample of my work. It's not necessarily important; it's just another tool in the kit. Just like a brochure, a good cover letter, a business card, a listing with various professional organizations. Here's one woman's opinion (Dawn Spencer): "In the beginning, I
think a lot of people spend time/money where they don't
need to, and not enough where they DO need to. My take is
that many people like the PASSIVEness of the web site and
directory. No cold calling. Sure, it WILL yield
something, sometime, someway, some year. |
What are these "Term Selection Exercises" and how can I participate? |
Just hop over to this page and check it out. |
Do you need to have a specialty in order to index? |
I think there are several ideas at work when
deciding if you can index books in a certain field.
First, you need to be confident in your indexing
abilities and your knowledge of your software. If you are
competent and comfortable in these areas, then I think
you can tackle books in fields that are unfamiliar to
you--provided you're willing to do your homework. Consult
reference works (or online sources) as you need to. You
will need more time to complete the index than you would
if you were a subject expert in the field. I would not suggest indexing a complicated field about which you know little, unless you were able to put significant time and energy (beyond the norm) into it. Theresa Moylan writes: Knowing a particular field, meaning the terminology, allows you to index well and at a faster rate. I think if you enjoy a field but aren't familiar with the terms you can research indexes in that field and build a thesaurus. You don't necessarily have to be a professional in the field. I believe publishers used to find indexers by seeking professionals. Indexing as a profession probably wasn't defined then. Cynthia Landeen writes: I believe that you need to either know the subject or be willing to learn enough about it that you can index on behalf of your reader. Quite often the true test of knowing a subject is to be able to teach it to a beginner. I believe that writing an index is quite a bit like this, you must be able to understand the language of the subject in such a way that you can provide access to the information for others. If you are willing to take the time to learn the subject, (go to the library, read other indexes, talk to people who understand the language) good for you, you can list that as a field in which you index. If you are not able to understand the language of the field, you are doing a disservice to the reader, and in some cases (first aid manuals, hazardous materials manuals and medical texts come to mind here) you might actually be doing harm. Willa McAllen writes: However, I think this question is handled differetly by different people. If someone has been indexing for a long time, they might have more confidence in tackling a difficult topic. If they are just starting out, they are learning how to index as well as the terminology for a specific subject as well as (possibly) their indexing tools. |
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